Credibility Returns to Paranormal Themed Television: Introducing “Ghost Lab”
Finally we have some credible paranormal themed TV to watch!!
The plumbers can claim they have “the best evidence so far this season coming up”, but so what when it’s just faked? Or why get excited just because Meatloaf is going on one of their investigations? The plumbers show has gotten so desperate they had to go the “demon” route last week.
Truly sad.
Brad and Barry Klinge of Everyday Paranormal will premiere their new show Ghost Lab this Fall on The Discovery Channel.
From the press release:
The Klinge brothers aren’t satisfied with merely going into a home with the hopes of catching a voice on tape. They want to test real scientific theories. With the help of the latest technology, a decked-out travelling “ghost lab” and one of the world’s foremost specialists in science measurements, they test cutting-edge theories. Is there more ghost activity around water? Are spirits attached to specific items or locations? The Klinge brothers are on a mission to find out. And they aren’t testing these theories in ordinary places. Instead, they are tackling some of America’s most haunted locations – including Tombstone, Ariz., home to some of the most violent deaths in history and a hotbed of activity, and the Shreveport Auditorium, where Elvis got his start and may have not left the building.
We will let you know when the show will actually premiere.
Finally something to look forward to watching!!
September 3rd, 2009 at 10:41 am
Ghost Lab is due to premiere on October 9, 2009 on the Discovery Channel.
September 3rd, 2009 at 10:46 am
Thanks for the heads up Theresa!! This show is going to be good.
September 5th, 2009 at 11:41 pm
Actually, the premiere of Ghost Lab will be Tuesday, October 6th, at 8pm central, 9 pm eastern……straight from the horses mouth
September 8th, 2009 at 7:58 am
Big Daddy Barry,
I am waiting anxiously for the premiere !!! I look forward to when I can go on a hunt with you and Brad. Let me know what I can do here in Jax to help out !!!
Alex
September 9th, 2009 at 10:14 pm
Just saw the Ghost Lab rig in Daly City, outside of San Francisco…what’s going on in Cali? Is there a taping or event? What’s the scoop?
September 10th, 2009 at 7:23 am
I would say they are creating another episode!
September 11th, 2009 at 8:30 am
The Brothers Klinge are going to host the best paranormal show on television… BAR NONE !!!
September 13th, 2009 at 2:14 am
Hi Dawn. We were staying in Daly City while we filmed an episode on Alcatraz. It was great to be in San Fran. Flying back home for a few days tomorrow then back out filming on the East Coast for a week or so.
And correction….the premiere time is 9pm central on Oct 6th….not 8pm central. Don’t miss it!
September 14th, 2009 at 9:15 am
Just wanted to say thanks to all of the good comments and support. This show is a blast to make and I promise it will be awesome. This will be a breath of fresh air to the paranormal world. Make sure you watch and give us your comments. Oct 6th at 10 EST
September 16th, 2009 at 10:54 am
I personally met Barry and Brad while they were here in Galveston last week filming for an episode of Ghost Lab. I had the privilege of being involved in the shoot. Barry, Brad and the rest of his crew were great, down to earth folks. I too have never really been in to the “drama ghost shows” that are currently on TV. It’s good to see a step in a different direction. I hope the show does great guys!
September 22nd, 2009 at 8:10 am
These guys are filiming on the historic river steamboat Delta Queen. From everything I have read about them and what I know about this historic boat I can’t wait to see the results! Very much looking forward to it, and glad Ghost Lab is taking a more credible route then the ole demons and evil spirits route. No spirit on the DQ has ever indicated an evil nature.
September 22nd, 2009 at 5:53 pm
Hello Phillip. I am sitting here on the deck of the Delta Queen in Chattanooga preparing for this case as I type this. If you read this within the next couple of days, please stop by and say hello.
September 23rd, 2009 at 1:57 am
Hello Brad!
Really looking forward to seeing your show! I too have
been fascinated by the paranormal since I was a kid. I’d really love to be involved with an investigative team. I did have a short stint with a group in Ohio, but unfortunately it seemed to fall apart as quickly as it started. I would love to be able to find out the science behind all of this, the how’s and why’s. Best of luck to you and your team!
September 23rd, 2009 at 9:25 pm
Looking forward to your show. Sounds interesting. What type of ” experimental” equipment will be used on the show? Any episodes in the So. California area?
September 28th, 2009 at 7:25 am
For all you paranormal fans out there, be sure not to miss the Brothers Klinge in action !! Their methods and discoveries will turn the world of the paranormal on it’s ear !!! Check out the advertisements for their show on the Discovery Channel. This show is gonna knock your socks off !!! If you can’t watch it when it airs… Be sure to set your DVR to record it. You’re not gonna want to miss a single episode…
September 28th, 2009 at 11:55 am
I just saw the Ghost Lab trailer on Discovery Channel! So cool, I’m excited for the series to start. However, at the end of the trailer, it shows http://www.discovery.com/ghostlab. That URL doesn’t work, it gives an error page
September 28th, 2009 at 11:45 pm
Try the link now. I was just informed by Discovery that they got it up and running tonight.
September 29th, 2009 at 12:27 pm
Pretty bold statement to put out there…”Credibility Returns” when in fact exactly what have you done to earn such statement? Just because you go around investigating various locations does not mean automatic credibility. In fact, I am sure shows like “Ghost Hunters and Paranormal State” for example, I am sure their clients are just as satisfied with their results regardless of the outcome of their investigation…what makes your show any different? As far as bringing anything new to the table or presenting new theories. What exactly have you done? If it was anything news worthy, the scientific community would have announced it. Putting it in simple layman’s term…your show is not any different then those already mentioned other than approach.
September 29th, 2009 at 2:38 pm
Yo Adam,
Let’s be clear – “Credibility Returns” are MY words, not what the Ghost Lab folks have said. I boldly say them because I know Brad and Barry and I personally feel their show will be a breath of fresh air in the paranormal community.
Personally I like Paranormal State, but from day one it was never about collecting evidence – more about shining a light on the paranormal. Never forget though it is first an entertainment show.
The plumbers fake evidence and have for a long time. Think moving chair in a lighthouse in Florida. Fishing line is a wonderful tool.
Doug
Spectral Review
September 29th, 2009 at 3:41 pm
I have heard people claim before that GH fakes their evidence, but I have yet to see any irrefutable evidence of that. Who’s to say that all of these paranormal shows aren’t doing that? Entertainment is a given with these programs, that’s the point of airing them on television, there has to be some sort of entertainment value. I’m not saying they do or don’t, I’m not there with them on the investigations or in the studio when the shows are edited. I will say that GH is really the only paranormal show I watch, because I personally don’t care for all the others. I am however hopeful that Ghost Lab will be one I add to my “love it” list.
September 29th, 2009 at 4:19 pm
Admin-
The people over at Paranormal State may be little extreme and in my opinion way too heavily on psychics as far as evidence. But the guys over at Ghost Hunters seem to rely on tangible evidence.
Making such a colossal accusation against the guys over at Ghost Hunters…I would assume that you have something that is called proof…correct? I assume you where there during the filming of that particular episode? If not, I believe that G released a statement regarding the incident. And since I have been reading throughout this website it seems that your “boys” seems like dissing GH and PRS for the way they do things (nice manners, makes me truly wonder about their “credibility”.)
Since it appears that your singing such high praises regarding EP and “their” new show and since you know “them” personally…exactly what was it that they did to earn “credibility” (because you know them personally and they happen to post in here…takes alot more than that to earn such a title) Or are you talking about personality wise? PRS seems to be returning and as well as GH…too bad for “Ghost Lab”.
EP websites seems to contain what other paranormal groups have already..so there is nothing different there other than a bunch of local media (as though they were saying look at me, look at me…I want to be on TV) in San Antonio.
September 29th, 2009 at 10:48 pm
I agree with Michelle. How can you discount it so quickly when you have never seen it or no nothing about it. But yet you are very quick to defend Ghost Hunters. Hmmmm…sounds like Adam is on the GH payroll doing a little pre-air blog bashing??? Maybe some negative propaganda work?
September 30th, 2009 at 12:11 am
Hey Adam,
I guess I hold the plumbers to a higher standard since they say they “rely on tangible evidence”. So I can’t give them a pass that it’s just entertainment TV.
The real point is that finding tangible evidence is hard, and they have resorted to making it up. The chair at the St Augustine is clearing pulled by fishing line. The chair rotates a bit at the start because they screwed up by not pulling it in a way the chair would not rotate. Oh perhaps a ghost screwed up the pull.
The Halloween “coat pulling” was all fabricated. It’s obvious when you watch the film. Their first big “thermal” shot of the “soldier” was Grant’s reflection and they knew it. But it made for good TV and that is more important.
In light of these things how can we believe they received such a fantastic EVP at the resort in New Hampshire? A full sentence of “where are you” or something like that, I don’t remember exactly what it was. They faked it dude.
As for Ghost Lab, I’m just looking forward to watching it because from what I have seen on their videos, they have a knack for capturing good evidence. And I am CERTAIN of one piece of evidence they have presented in the past is absolutely real because I also captured it on my recorder.
September 30th, 2009 at 9:42 am
If anyone sounds like their on a payroll it is Admin.
And If he is holding GH at a higher standard…then EP (aka Ghost Lab) should be “GODS” to him.
As stated before…they have nothing different…so therefore (GL) will flop.
As for you Rob…just move out my way! I have no time for ya.
September 30th, 2009 at 10:59 am
Just tired of the plumbers BS. I can’t watch it anymore as it induces vomiting.
September 30th, 2009 at 12:48 pm
The feeling mutual..I will be sure not to tune in to GL but instead watch PRS and GH.
September 30th, 2009 at 2:39 pm
Oh goodness, I certainly didn’t post my comment to start a fight in here, not my intentions at all!
I should have stated that regarding ANY of these paranormal shows, it is up to us to buy into or believe the evidence presented. I immediately discount any and all personal experiences, because they are just that… personal, and there’s no tangible evidence in that. I also don’t and never have bought into the orb theory, it’s dust, it’s moisture, it’s a bug, etc. I will say that I have been a fan of GH since the beginning, although I do feel that the show isn’t as strong as it once was. I honestly could care less when they have these “celebrity” guest investigators on the show. I don’t know if they’re doing that because they need ratings, or what the reasoning is, but it certainly doesn’t make me want to watch the show more because Meatloaf is joining them on an investigation. Not to hate on Meatloaf, I loved his music back in the day (showing my age now, lol) but I don’t think it helps to bring any credibility to the show. I do feel that GH helped to open the doors for televised paranormal investigations, and that’s a good thing! However, I am not a fan of Most Haunted, Paranormal State or Ghost Adventures. With Most Haunted all you see for the most part is the camera’s zoomed in on the investigators while orb’s throw rocks at them, or the women screaming at every sound they hear, and I can’t deal with the screaming! It’s childish and unprofessional as far as investigating goes. If you’re scared and you’re going to scream your fool head off every time a mouse farts, then perhaps you should get out of the ghost hunting business, it’s not for you! I find Paranormal State very boring, and don’t care for their investigating style. I find that the use of mediums and psychics are about as credible as personal experiences, and they have used them on both P.S. and M.H. As far as Ghost Adventures is concerned, it is Zak’s arrogant personality that ruins the show for me. Now, I know all of these shows have a fan base, and that’s great, these are just my personal opinions and I’m entitled to them just as everyone else is. I am looking forward to the premier of Ghost Lab, and I hope the EP team will bring something new and refreshing to the paranormal t.v. market. Best Wishes! 
September 30th, 2009 at 11:54 pm
Geez! I sound so cranky in my last post, and now I feel bad… didn’t mean to sound so hateful. I think I’ll go take my meds now, lol.
October 1st, 2009 at 2:35 am
Before all the ” I know what you are but what am I” slapfight started, I asked what type of equipment or different techniques will the Ghost lab guys be using. I take it that’s the angle they are using to be different than other shows. The different techniques and equipment used is what makes each show good.
No need for any jealousy or competition since what everyone is researching and trying to learn is basically the same thing.
I hope the Ghost Lab show turns out to be good. Just not at the expense of the other shows.
October 1st, 2009 at 4:40 pm
Truly their is no jealously on my part. I just know that Ghost Lab is not going to bring anything different to the table when it comes to equipment. Which for me makes the world of difference. And since their are shows that already offer a choice I feel we just do not need another one. I just truly believe GL is not going to offer anything different which will lead the series to fall apart. These guys probably have not been investigating long based on their website. Their so called evidence is very minimum at best. If their techniques were any different it their website would reflect that.
October 2nd, 2009 at 6:30 pm
Being a paranormal investigator, I love the explosion in popularity of these shows and am ALL for any ’science’ that can be applied. However, if there was any real evidence of ghosts, wouldn’t university labs such as MIT be all over it?
My guess is that GL will be a welcome change of pace, but as far as any actual science being involved? I highly doubt it. Scientific experiments generally don’t make good television, and 99.9% of ghost hunters have no experience doing experimental research.
Still, I’ll watch with excitement and appreciate the tact and change of pace. Real investigations aren’t even as boring as some of the shows, and for those of you who are investigators, you’ll understand what I’m saying.
October 4th, 2009 at 9:48 am
I for one am willing to give Ghost Lab a try, as the more info on the paranormal gets out there, the better. I just hope that the ‘human element’ will be considered, and not just the latest technology in ghost hunting. Afterall, these are real people who have passed, and should be treated as such. Perhaps GL will be able to find that connection to the spirit world that is so sought after. Maybe something new and innovative is what is needed, as it seems that things going on in the paranoraml community have somehwhat ’stalled out’ it seems.
As a collective, any new ideas, theories or methods should be welcomed in our quest for understanding the paranormal world.
October 6th, 2009 at 10:51 pm
Watching the end of Ghost Lab right now. Sad to say that the show really blows!
October 6th, 2009 at 10:58 pm
I second that motion Usagi.
October 6th, 2009 at 11:11 pm
All I could say to everyone in here…is I told ya so.
October 6th, 2009 at 11:45 pm
Adam, dude, find something better to do with your time than hide behind your firewall badmouthing these dudes.
Brad & Barry,
Good job, dudes. And you got Mike Rowe to do your narrative and background!
The era cues thing is interesting – just make sure it dosn’t get hokey. As a viewer, there should be more “normal” g’huntin’ to establish a baseline of activity before your theory is tested. Jus’ sayin’.
Anyway, good effort for the premiere. Hope you guys stick around a while…show up the fakes and flakes that we’re forced to watch now. I do have one request, though, Brad – I’m dying to see your Gettysburg footage. Please, please, please….where is it? C’mon, man, hook a brutha up!
October 6th, 2009 at 11:55 pm
TX Mike…I ain’t hiding anything. It appears the consensus over DSC are pretty much inline with what I am saying…so there.
October 7th, 2009 at 10:29 am
Anyone notice:
“The following program documents the case studies of Everyday Paranormal. All evidence has been gathered by the Klinge Brothers and their team of investigators. Nothing has been manipulated or manufactured.”
Especially that last sentence…wonder why the plumbers don’t have such a disclaimer? Their lawyers forbid it since they fake stuff!!!!
Adam, do you know why the plumbers Halloween live event has been canceled? Too many bad memories of getting caught faking from 2008???
October 7th, 2009 at 1:13 pm
Hey Admin-
Lets see if the EP show will still be running here for the next five seasons as GH has.
October 7th, 2009 at 5:48 pm
Not a very good show…..dragged on and actors acted very robotic. Too many people worried about getting in the media instead of doing real investigating
October 8th, 2009 at 12:00 am
Have to say that I am not impressed.
I like watching these types of shows. However Ghost Lab didn’t bring anything new to the table, as promised by the article above. Yeah, they speak of, what they call, “era cues”, but that isn’t a new theory.
Oh yeah, they did talk about parallel universes. Not really sure why. Are they trying to prove paranormal activities or try to prove quantum mechanics theories? Are they trying to find out if the place is haunted or if the EVP is actually evidence of a parallel universe? Honestly, do they really want to mix paranormal with quantum mechanics?
Basically, for me, this wasn’t a well done show. The editing was terrible. The investigation came acrossed as jumbled and sloppy. The so-called evidence provided, wasn’t even impressive. Although, it was impressive to see everyone get all over-excited that some chick was poked, but you can see that type of over-excitement on Ghost Adventures.
Will I see this show again? I don’t know. Guess it depends what else is on at the time.
October 9th, 2009 at 12:28 am
I’ve been investigating since 2004 and have been a member of two different teams during that time. We have investigated residential, institutions, theater and commercial spaces with varied results. So I also tend to look at ghost hunting shows with a bit of a critical eye. The first few seasons of GH were a bit easier for me to swallow because I felt that G/J and the team were still blue collar, still hungry for that success. I get less of that feeling in the last couple of seasons. One reason is the celebrity guests–I feel that most of them really have no business being on a legitimate investigation and are in fact a distraction. And I have always had issue with the constant music covering up possible evidence. Then with last year’s Halloween show…it just kind of deflated my appreciation of TAPS. I’m still watching and hopeful but consider it more of an entertainment show than serious ghost investigation.
I watched GL with interest and again with a critical eye. In the Klinges I see that same blue collar hunger, the same no-nonsense approach that early GH seemed to have. I hope that the guys can retain this as their world starts to warp from the attention the show will garner for them.
I must say also that I did absolutely LOVE one aspect of their ghost investigation technique, the inclusion of music as a stimulus for activity. This is a favorite of mine–I have been known to sing on investigations and have actually gotten some interesting results. Our team is a combination of scientific and intuition/gut instinct, so I suppose not as “scientific method” as we could be but we do get results one way or another.
Good luck with the show, Klinge brothers.
October 9th, 2009 at 12:16 pm
When the Klinge Brothers were being ‘courted’ by the Go Go Lucky folks, GA, and Betsy and Ron and Rick, our group was also in the running for becoming the next new reality paranormal program. I want to congratulate the Klinge brothers for getting their show, as I know how hard it is to present something new and innovative to not only the production company, but to the general public , a program that will not only entertain them, but to help educate and to make them question and think about what is presented. I know how hard our group worked, trying to maintain our integrity and our group concept, yet be able to ‘follow’ what the production company wanted to present to the public. Unscripted television is not easy!! Yes there were certain ‘core’ procedures that the production company wanted adherence to, and from the looks of what I have seen on GL, the Klinge brothers were able to bring their true selves to the table, inspite of what was expected from them in regards to the paranorrmal reality show format that the producers wanted.
I really enjoyed the genuine comaraderie between the brothers and the team. Even with all the different paranormal based reality shows out there, I think it is fair to say that EP has something different to offer. In other words, there is something out there for everybody! I am gald I have another choice to enjoy!
On GL, I liked that they showed their evidence as the show progresses, not keeping it until towards the end like some others do. I think it is great that they now have a ‘catch phrase’, “Era-Cues”! The employment of Era Cues is a great idea! You will hear from many investigative groups that they are all basically doing something along the lines of “Era-Cues”, but good for EP for coining the phrase! They will be remembered by this, just as ‘Dead Time” is now an intrinsic part of Paranormal State.
Foiks have a tencency to forget that in an hour episode of any program, we are only given an actual 22 minutes of program to watch. I say give GL a chance everybody! So far what they have presented, is a very good show. I think that because for years we had nothing but TAPS to compare any other paranormal prgrams to, it is hard to lose that concept that they are the only ‘golden rule’ in paranormal investigating. As each new program has come out, each one was critiqued just as harshly as GL is, and yet each had something that people liked and recognized. I say give GL the same chance, and over time I think they will prove themseleves! Break free from all the other old concepts and theories, and I think you will be rewarded with an entertaining yet intelligent way of looking at the paranormal.
October 14th, 2009 at 6:02 pm
I saw Ghost Lab last night, and I have never seen such a stretch of the imagination. Talk about making something out of nothing. At this point anyone could have a show and claim any sound or picture is a phantom (as EP does). I hope this show goes down in flames as it is so, so, sad. A real downer for the industry. The hosts need to go back to driving trucks.
November 18th, 2009 at 4:43 am
Not really sure if anyone will actually read this, but I feel I needed to share my opinion. Being an avid fan of the Ghost Hunter series as well as Ghost Adventures, I must say after watching this Ghost Lab show for the last couple of weeks, I am outraged. Is it just me or is it every freakin week they come out with some amazing evidence? From allegedly catching John Wilkes Booth’s voice to some silverware flying around, I must say I believe this whole show is a disgrace to ghost hunting and complete nonsense. I give it up to Ghost Hunters because they have episodes where absolutely nothing happens, which I’m guessing is the majority of investigations, but to get the kind of evidence that Ghost Lab seems to be getting seems a little far-fetched. No offense guys, but I’ll stick to the plumbers, they still have my reliability and I think all these awesome paranormal happenings on Ghost Lab is just trying to promote the show and I guess the Discovery Channel was feeling left out of the “ghost loop.”
November 18th, 2009 at 7:09 am
wow!! are you way off the mark with this chris!! In most investigations, you will find some sort of evidence, it is TAPS and the others that use the “we will wait until the end to give results’, that I find ridiculous!! I know for myself, that when we investigate, we will always find some bit of evidence, and it aint coincidence, believe you me! I can’t think of even one single investigation that we didn’t walk away with something, and it has to do with good technique, good equipment, and good solid investigating by covering all the bases. I think Ghost Lab is doing a phenomenal job! All the haters, go somwhere else and watch fake “Halloween’ shows!
November 19th, 2009 at 12:06 am
Chris,
I canoot understand why people like you feel the need to slam the evidence that the Klinge brothers are turning up. It really kind of cracks me up to see how fiercely loyal people are to one ghost hunting show or another, and are willing to say virtually anything in an attempt to discredit the outstanding efforts that the folks at Ghost Lab are putting forth. Have you ever taken a moment to stop and think why Barry, Brad and their team might be able to churn out solid evidence on a consistent basis ? Although it may be beyond your scope to understand this, it is possibly due to superior research methodologies and cutting edge technologies. Get a life and stop badmouthing others just because you are a groupie of the plumbers…..
November 20th, 2009 at 6:24 am
Hmm, probably because they tell you at the beginning of the show, \Hey, I hope we get object manipulation!\ and tadaa, there it comes. \Hey, I hope we get evidence of John Wilkes Booth!\ Tadaa, there you go, his voice and everything. I live near the most haunted city in the world, Gettysburg PA, and I know ghost investigators who spend years attempting to get what the Klinge brothers get in one sweep of a location. You say cutting edge technology, they only used cameras for that silverware spinning episode. Cutting edge my ass. Outstanding efforts, they aren’t telling us anything we don’t already know. Ghost Hunters started this paranormal revolution on tv, and they are the whole reason any of these shows are even on. You say solid evidence, I say groundbreaking evidence. I have no doubt they will bullshit their way into catching an actual ghost in front of them in one of these upcoming episodes. Good news though, we’ll know when it’s coming because they always tell you what’s going to happen before they even start investigating. This show is pathetic.
November 20th, 2009 at 8:26 am
Hey Chris, I see you are an employee of Pilgrim Entertainment. Nice job defending your territory. Loser.
November 20th, 2009 at 12:51 pm
Interesting tid bit that Chris is connected to Pilgrim Entertainment! Maybe he will get a bonus for his ‘loyalty’!
In this day and age, when the interest in the paranormal is at an all time high, people are hungry for ”the truth’…..and why in God’s name would the Klinge Brothers compromise their integrity with falsehoods and theatrics? Sure, some will say it is for the monetary aspect, doing anything for a greasy buck, but come on…..so many people have had experiences that they did not tell anyone about for fear of being viewed as beng crazy, or a liar! And I think if you asked those who do these paranormal programs, is it enought ot truly make a living by? Even Grant and Jason from TAPS has Roto-Rooter to fall back on!!
What is all the animosity about?? Is it because they were actually are able to capture evidence, and not be afraid to show it?? Maybe the ’spirits’ recognize these guys as being respectful, so they are willing to show themselves? And all this garbage about not counting personal experiences as ‘evidence’, as GH does………well, had it not been for personal experiences, us in the paranormal field would have not gone forward with trying to find what is out there.
Who ever does the editing for GH, they must have a certain criteria that they have agreed to stick to, and I can bet that Jason and Grant have butted heads with the producers about what they will be allowed to be show or not. I for one, am glad that GL has taken that leap of faith and were willing to allow us to see and hear their evidence, and let us make up our own minds as to whether we want to believe it or not.
The “Halloween fiasco” that happened with GH, well, that is something that is going to take a long time to forget. Not only did it make them look like a bunch of clowns, but it detracted what us in the paranormal field have been trying get across as it being something legitimate. 2 steps forward, 6 steps back……not good.
Whomever had gotten this evidence, we should all by grateful that another piece of evidence has been presented to the public, furthering the reality that we are indeed in close contact with the other side. It shouldn’t be ‘My ghost show is better than your ghost show” kind of baloney!! There are enough choices on viewing programs on the paranormal, so if we don’t like one, then go view another!!
I like the show, I like the Klinge brothers, and I hope they continue to do what they do, and not be worried about all the naysayers out there!!
November 21st, 2009 at 12:43 am
So let me ask you Lisa, being a paranormal investigator yourself as stated above. How many times in the beginning when you were investigating did you manage to capture full shadow figures, dressed in period clothing? How many times did you capture object manipulation on your first ingvestigation at a location? I don’t need to destroy credibility for Ghost Lab, it seems they are accomplishing that themselves. I completely agree with the Ghost Hunters mentalities, there is so much bs being passed off as paranormal these days, it is necessary to discount a large number of claims. Besides, I will stick to Ghost Adventures over any of these other ghost shows. These are the guys I will put my faith in to bring back some solid evidence. I just find it amusing that in the little time Ghost Lab has been on, they have managed to capture evidence that some will never see in their lifetimes, let alone capture on one investigation. We will all have our opinions on shows, this is just mine. And believe you me Lisa, people have compromised their integrity for a lot less then the almighty dollar.
November 21st, 2009 at 8:30 am
Plus Zak gets possessed at least once a season – that’s credible for sure!!
November 21st, 2009 at 12:14 pm
Zak is from another show…….not GL, or am I wrong??
November 21st, 2009 at 12:56 pm
I am sorry, admin, I assume you were just comparing what other shows have happen on them? Yes, Zak is one hyper dude…….. And speaking of Ghost Adventures, the episode where they had Debby and Mark Constantino on it as guests, during the show Mark and Debby were getting EVP’s and were able to let everyone hear what was being said, right after they had asked questions. They totally made the show, in my estimation. It was as close as one can get to hearing the spirits speak in ‘real time’. I have had the pleasure of talking to Debby about EVP’s, and what is great is, that I hear EVP’s like she does……not just one word or the occasional phrase, we both hear entire dialog’s going on. They have an awesome site, spirits-speak.com. Check them out! I can understand people’s frustrationn with wondering what is possibly fabricated and what is real. This field will always be in question, it can be quite a touchy subject for some people, it touches on, for some, something scary. My suggestion for those who have questions, research, research, research! Remember, these shows can be purely entertainment, and for others it is a learning experience.
November 21st, 2009 at 1:44 pm
Ok Chris……now for your inquiry. When I first started investigating, my first foray was in my own home. I decided to try to capture some EVP’s. Problem was, the only equipment I had to work with at the time was my grandson’s Fisher Price kiddie tape recorder, and a fresh, blank tape. What amazed me, and it still does to tis day, was that I got an EVP within the first 2 minutes of recording……….if you don’t think that scared the daylights out of me, I don’t know what would! I hd asked the standard questions, who was preent, how may are there of you, what is your name, etc. When I heard a female voice say, ‘My name is Sarah, Stanley is here too”………..I was so freaked out by it, and at first I thought am I crazy? I had my husband listen to it, and my son, and they verified what was said. Fast forward, I have done many, many investigations since that day, and I have been fortunate to get the evidence that I have gotten. As for a full body apparition, I had that happen in my home, it was young gal, dressed in 70’s style clothing, with a shag haircut. She was in my dining room, walking from theret to the stairs that lead upstairs to the bedrooms. My heart was beating so fast I thought I was going to have a heart attack! I also did an investigation at a plantation down in SC. That investigation, to me, was the holy grail of paranormal investigation! I was there a total of 6 days, and I got it all…….EVP’s things being moved and missing, then put back, I shot a series of 8 pictures, one right after another, following a scratching sound that was going on on the wall behind my bed, and in the pictures, you could see all these orb’s, and this ‘ectoplasm’, they appeared only in 3 of the 8 pictures, taken consecutively, so I don’t think it was dust or bugs! Late one evening, I was standing on the balcony, and I heard what sounded like people talking and laughing, the sopund of feet shuffling, coming from the area where the fields had been, going towards where the slave quarters were located. At breakfast the next day, we talked about it, and another guest there said that on a previous visit, she had heard the same thing!. There was nothing around in the area, it was quite isolated, so it wasn’t coming from the neighboring properties. Twice the old dinner bell rang………..there was no one there at the place other than me and my companion at the time! And the EVP’s…….WOW!! I got names, and was able to locate these folks from old records and census records. That entire experience is what spurred me on to really get serious about investigating. So it is possible to get ‘hard’ evidence, early on in an investigation. So much more happened there, I could go on and on, but I have said enough. I think!
Oh as a side note, at the same time the Klinge Brothers were being courted by the production company that produces Ghost Lab, our group was also filmed and interviewed, and because of contract differences, our group was out of the running. I am glad that the Klinge brothers got it, and I think they do a damned good job!
November 21st, 2009 at 9:15 pm
I like reading the posts on here from time to time to see the different views. But I have to disagree with both Chris and Lisa.
Chris, you work for Pilgrim? Aren’t they connected to Ghost Hunters? I might be wrong. The Halloween thing last year kind of put them in a real bad light. Then I saw video, on YouTube, that showed some discrepencies with a water bottle supposedly moving. It was the episode with Meatloaf. Not too good to hear what Donna had to say about the show and Jason and Grant also. They lost a lot of credibility in my eyes. GHI is almost unwatchable if not for Barry and the enigma that is Joe Chin.
But still I watch it.
Lisa, I don’t see where Brad from Ghost lab is so respectful to “spirits” as you state. The show where he was trying to show the river and a third floor window with an EMF connection is one example. As soon as he entered the home he yelled, ” Show yourself, man!” . That’s yelled, not asked. I think just about every show he’s yelling something demanding that they appear to HIM because he’s decided that his presence deserves that. I think he comes off as I-know-more-than-you while insisting he is using scientific methods. I’d like to see an actual scientific expert match claims with him. I’d also like to ask what did you think of the shadow man picture they raved about? I thought it looked odd to be a shadow man until I saw a link where someone completely debunked it showing clearly it was a fencing around a grave. Even showed a picture of Brad standing in front of it. I also don’t believe, as the audio expert did on the show, that theirEVP claming to be John Wilkes Booth was that. I was surprised to see the whole group hear that on first try in such clarity. I played it over and over and it sounded like over-processed sounds at best. Not something to go running in the streets with your arms raised , screaming. Having said that, what I was impressed with was the EVP that said something mentioning a “colonel” captured at Myrtles, I believe. Very clear.
But I will still watch the show.
Admin, you mentioned the fact that Zak keeps getting possessed every season. In a place like Poveglia, I believe that could happen to anyone on any of these shows. I think Ghost Adventures is the one show that doesn’t make any claims to be anything but what ALL OF THESE SHOWS ARE….entertainment. Ghost Hunters and Paranormal State claim to be there to “help” while Ghost Lab tries to claim it is scientific in nature. Sure, Zak needs to lay off caffeine a little and the camera guy gets spooked easily but that’s why I watch. I don’t really hear their EVPs like they do all the time though.
I think if Ghost Lab came across from the start as “we are going to try some new things in a different way to see what we get”, then that would be fitting. Nothing wrong with trying different things. Just don’t claim science is your method and DON’T claim you are going to turn the paranormal world upside down with all your science. So far they’ve done nothing that I, you, and everyone else haven’t done. Just have been given more equipment and access to places.
If they are granted a second season, it would probably do them some good to extend outward from the central strip of the country to the west or east coast.
How about Alaska, Hawaii, Puerto Rico, etc.
November 22nd, 2009 at 3:54 pm
I will concede that there are times that all these paranornal shows are being disrespectful, and I guess in the case of John Wilkes Booth, maybe because of his place in history, that is why he was approached in this manner. But for the record, who was it that started the ‘Provoking’ business in the first place? Ghost Hunters!! Maybe it is time that folks think for themsleves and not be copy cats. You wouldn’t act like that if the person was standing right there in front of you, would you? I hope not!! That’s just plain rude.
I do hope that GL will go to many other locations thru out the states, only time will tell if they do this. And for the ’shadow man’, that was kind of ‘is it, or isn’t it?’ I was not impressed with that part, but as for the EVP, with all the experiences I have had with EVP,that was a class ‘A’ EVP. some of them sounded metallic and mechanical at times, there are so many variances. You have to school yourself by listening for those variances. They can sometimes be whispered, can be found in external sounds like someone walking, or scraping noises, the spirits can even utilize your voice while you are speaking, they use any type of energy that they can find to manifest. The JW Booth EVP was the mechanical type sounding EVP that is very common. That is why I like to listen to EVP’s 4 different ways. There is listening to them right off the recorder, then there is listening, using headphones off the recorder, then there is downloading them and listening right off the computer, and finally, listening to them off them computer, using headphones. It is amazing that you are able to listen to them all these ways, and finding things that you might have missed, say, by just listening to them off the recorder only. I am an old fashioned investigator, I strictly use an analog recorder as opposed to a digital one. I have found I have better luck doing it this way. I do not use any type of software or editing methods that most investigators use these days. My ability to hear complete dialogs still freaks me out!! All I know is, that I am always amazed at each and every EVP I have captured.
I am glad to be able to come on this site and talk about my experiences, to talk to like minded people, and I try to keep an open mind when dealing with evidence of the paranormal.
November 22nd, 2009 at 5:49 pm
Maybe just to shed a bit of light on this: I believe the Class “A” EVP (Booth) we heard on GL was in fact filtered to clean it up a bit. This is what would create that “metallic” sound as you describe it. When I say “filtered” don’t take that to necessarily mean tampered with or altered. Personally, I prefer listening to the raw audio file with as little filtering as possible.
November 22nd, 2009 at 7:27 pm
Hello Riseup! I agree that the EVP being filtered is not tampering or altering it, your just taking out extraneous sounds to get to the actual speech. And I too, prefer listening to an EVP in it’s ‘raw’ form. By cleaning a recording up, you may lose important speech that is missed by folks trying to clean it up. Even the use of a digital recorder is intended to clean up a recording, as most folks use it for business reasons. The various types of sounds that EVPs’ can have is something that you just have to get used to listening to to get results. For myself, just the fact that we are able to hear spirits speaking via recording is great as far as it goes for evidence. Photo’s and video’s seem to be most people’s choice of ‘true evidence’, but for me nothing beats an interactive EVP, where you ask a question, and they answer you back. It doesn’t get any more real than that!!
November 24th, 2009 at 12:45 am
We’ve all seemed to venture into the actual point of my whole “Ghost Lab bashing” as some of you, eh hem admin, have stated. I also believe in a place like Poveglia Island there will be some horrendous spirits attempting to cling to the living, tryin to make them see what it really was they had to go through. Possessed once an episode though? I’ve been watching every episode of Ghost Adventures faithfully and only seen him act that way twice. I would be forced to agree with Bobby on the Klinge brothers being respectful. I have seen them yelling at the ghosts, IE the Tombstone episode. I do not work for Pilgrim Entertainment, and I have watched the youtube video of Grant’s so-called spirit hood pulling. But does this mean we have to discount the 100 or so episodes they shot before this “live” episode. Lisa, glad you had the chance to go to the Myrtle’s Plantation. I know this to be one of the most haunted locations in America as well, and I have no doubt any and everything captured there would be verifiable. I’m just saying these Ghost Lab Klinge brothers either have the best equipment, or they are the luckiest ghost hunters alive. Possession or no possession, I will stick with Ghost Adventures any day. It would be hard to manipulate evidence when they are playing it right back to you as soon as they capture it. We’ll see what the super lucky Klinge brothers manage to bring us in future episodes, I imagine with “catching John Wilkes Booth’s voice” as well as a “full shadow figure” and some “spinning silverware,” they could only keep trying to make it better for the audience from here.
November 24th, 2009 at 10:12 am
Chris,
I think that you might be on to something. You stated that the Klinge brothers “either have the best equipment” or are the “luckiest ghost hunters alive.” Have you taken a moment to think that both of these statements could be true? Take off your prejudicial goggles and recognize that the skills of the Ghost Lab team combined with the latest in technology equals one kick ass evidence gathering machine. There is one seat left on the bandwagon…. You can still get on.
November 24th, 2009 at 10:14 pm
That kick ass gathering machine is the one that came up with a shadow man that wasn’t in Tombstone and a supposed face in the window too. If the technology is there, why not look further into the shadow man so you could see it’s a fence around a grave so a viewer doesn’t have to debunk it completely while the show is still airing?
I think the “ghost lab bashing” stems from their claims of using science because others do not and how they were going to rock the paranormal world. Can you honestly say they have used science or more or less just become another paranormal show. Mythbusters comes to mind that would use a scientific approach to at least say if something is plausible or not. They jump to conclusions WAY too fast on what they think is earth-shattering evidence, i.e. Booth EVP and shadow man. I think I remember an episode of GhostHunters where the restaurant had magnetic silverware and were able to debunk that. Is this the same restaurant? I’m not sure.
This show shouldn’t be compared to Ghost Hunters or any other show for that matter to claim success. I think they’ve brought heat upon themselves and it’s up to them to back up their claims instead of downplaying other shows. For example, on Facebook , Brad linked to a blog that trashed GhostHunters and did a suck up job to Ghost Lab. Why even post that ??
Alex, I’m sure you’ve investigated before and you should know that much of collecting data is…being lucky. It’ doesn’t take “skills” to capture a voice on a recorder or an image on camera. If they dont’ want to talk, they don’t. Going by the theory that most spirits are of people that have passed away, what is the need to scream at them demanding they appear on command. Again, they appear if they want. Sometimes they talk when you least expect it. If any skill is involved, it’s not capturing an EVP, it’s being able to cleanly extract a voice from the background noise or from overlapping another voice when going over what you’ve recorded. They have the fortune of having equipment that most if not 99% of groups/investigators do not have.
I’m still trying to figure out how this is a “kick ass evidence gathering machine” more than anybody else. Just more louder in their approach.
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November 26th, 2009 at 2:08 am
Again, I’m forced to agree with Bobby on this one. I’ve not seen anything on their show that others haven’t already used. They have a big fancy truck with the words “Ghost Lab” printed on the side. Inside I’ve only seen them use those hugh computers for analyzing EVP’s they’ve captured, which can be done with any laptop or computer, and I’ve seen them analyzing objects moving, which can be done with any video camera. Best equipment, I think not. Luckiest ghost hunters alive seems more like it, but I’m leaning towards complete bs. Failed to watch this week’s episode, can anyone tell me if they caught an actual ghost playing cards with them yet?
November 29th, 2009 at 3:20 am
I have to go back and address that John Wilkes Booth EVP. That is a class B at best and is nowhere close to a class A. I have captured several Class A EVPs and all of them sound like human voices clearly saying something with no need of being cleaned up. Once you have “cleaned” something up to the point that all that is left is that tinny warble, you have drastically altered the recording.
These shows are nothing more than entertainment. The TAPS boys have been called out several times now, most likely due to a clause in their contract that allows Pilgrim to recreate any experience not captured on video. That means a lot of what is shown are, at best, recreations of personal experiences. The Klinge bros. are just too quick to jump on things and pronounce them paranormal.
I think Lisa’s post on the 18th is very telling. If you walk away from most investigations with evidence of activity then your standards and criteria for what is paranormal is very low. I would bet money that your group accepts orbs as evidence as well as out of focus photos displaying motion blur. We have walked away from places with nothing even though we have been there a dozen times before and had a numerous experiences and pieces of data collected.
November 29th, 2009 at 9:05 am
Hey Joe, let me get this right. You are accusing Everyday Paranormal of presenting “orbs” and motion blur photos as evidence? Perhaps you would like to present some proof where they have done that?
Taking that approach I can look at the jolietparanormal.com web site and see the Cryptozoology page and dismiss your group as a bunch of “big foot loonies”.
Be prepared to back up what you say.
November 29th, 2009 at 9:20 am
I am sorry Joe, that you have not have had the success that I have had when investigating. That must be extremely frustrating for you and your group. First let start out by my telling you I was solo for many years in my investigating. And for the record, I don’t ascribe to the notion that all little balls of lights are orbs, nor have I taken any out of focus pic’s and called them
“Evidence”. And I do not have to justify myself to anyone, all my purpose is to relay my experiences, and perhaps someone will learn from them.
And for the record, my expectatons are quite high, higher than most. And I don’t go bashing other investigators, when I don’t know a thing about them or their technique. It is when I see ‘evidence’ fabricated for entertainemnt purposes, is when I might speak up.
We are all here to learn from each other, not outdo one another, Joe. I can 100% guarantee however, that if you were to send me a recording you may have done at an investigation, and you thought there was nothing captured, I’d find that there was a lot more there than you ever could have realized was there. I say this with having 100% confidence at what I do , and the results I get.
November 29th, 2009 at 7:09 pm
DJB, for someone that wants to get this right you sure messed it up. Unless Lisa Simon is a member now, the only statement about EP is the last sentence of the 2nd paragraph.
Lisa, per your last paragraph, if I have done a review of data and found nothing, it means I found nothing that met my standards and you saying you could find so much more in it just proves my point.
November 29th, 2009 at 7:45 pm
I guess your ghosts are better than my ghosts, Joe. Let’s just leave it at that
January 9th, 2010 at 6:19 pm
Interesting discussion folks.
I have no axe to grind one way or the other as far as shows like GH or EP is concerned. On the other hand, Most Haunted has shown just how much money can be made out of public interest in the whole paranormal subject. Despite blatant fakery and downright skulduggery to obtain “incidents”, their ability to keep a large loyal following buying DVDs and merchandise is amazing. Perhaps they’ve just tapped into the deep-rooted desire of humanity to understand where we came from and where we’re going ? But it seems to be a loyal following who don’t ask too many questions – or maybe entertainemnt is more important to them than knowledge.
Jason and Grant (and other shows) keep explaining to the camera – ” Some people believe spirits manifest themselves by drawing energy from the air or surroundings” OK – seems sort of logical. But wait a minute – aren’t they making a basic assumption that spirits EXIST in the first place ? And just HOW do they convert heat energy into noise or light ? And actually … just what are THEY (the “spirits”) in the first place ? Where is the official science that even suggests THEY exist ? Where is the official science that says THEY are the continuing energy of dead people ?
Is it any less likely that THEY could be some extra-terrestrial intelligence ? Can’t prove that … or disprove it. But in the same way, science has been unable to prove or disprove the spirit theories either.
Just think – an invisible energy that can switch TVs on and off , and move stuff around ? Wow – wouldn’t the power companies want to get their hands on that kind of knowledge ?
So humanity is really no further forward, despite the interesting claims of Lisa here. Let’s hope EP can contribute something worthwhile to the science – but TV money and science don’t mix well.
If such science existed – and it showed just HOW some aspect of dead people can still exist on this physical planet – it would turn the whole existence of HUMANITY on its head. Not only would it mean that people’s soul COULD lived on, it would likely lead to the possibility of re-incarnation (adopting the soul of someone who lived previously).
What would that do to religion and the concept of God ?
As a skeptic, I’d love to see science makes RFEAL advances in proving the existence of intelligent entities that we cannot see. So I say – its great that we get some EVP noises and the occasional IR shape… but all it proves is that the “experience” could be shared, and can’t be dismissed as one person having imagined it. But having caught these things on tape, why is there no REAL science then investigating them further. Even just to explain how it is possible to get noise on a blank tape/disc ?
Who can really take this stuff forward ?
January 9th, 2010 at 7:29 pm
Nice post, Kenneth.
I agree with you on the “theory” related on most paranormal shows about spirits needed some type of energy to manifest. I always wonder who the “they” are when they say “they say…” . I don’t know if it’s just been repeated instances of drained batteries and then someone seeing a shape begin to form or the fact that people claim to feel a cold chill before hearing or seeing something. I have always wondered how that theory came about and who started it. There really hasn’t been any official or proven experiments supporting that, just experiences from different investigators that have collectively formed this theory that everyone has come to take as almost fact. I’ve also wondered, “what are they??” many times. Is it actually old Aunt Martha that is still in her room and talking to you or is it just a bumping of time planes that are overlapping for a short moment or is it, like you said, actually extra-terrestrials making things move and making noises and voices. Some might think the ET theory is way over the top but isn’t believing Aunt Martha is still talking to you just as believable? Any of these theories could be true. Yet none, or any other, has been even remotely and positively proven. Everything is based on experiences, recordings, and beliefs by every paranormal investigator everywhere.
There are actually brainiac groups of “scientists” that study quantum theories and parapsychology in an effort to not only explain the whole ghost thing but the unexplainable that can’t be answered. The everyday investigator, like most everyone in paranormal groups, provide root-level “evidence” that can possibly help one day to prove one way or another about ghosts existing.
Like you, I’ve wondered how people who believe in a god can look for answers that could contradict what they believe religiously. What if a spirit actually appeared publicly and stated “God?, what God?” . Imagine the consequences if that happened?
Being a skeptic like you said is a good thing. Makes for a better arguement if or when a good recording or image is captured. Especially when the voice or image cannot be explained. For example, when a female voice is recorded when there were only men around. Or vice versa. Or maybe when the voice heard is spoken in a different language than English. Even skeptics have to scratch their heads and wonder ” where the hell DID that come from??”
January 11th, 2010 at 10:25 pm
Good comments, Bobby. I suppose we also have to recognise that just because one of these TV shows fakes ONE incident, it doesn’t necessarily mean that ALL their incidents are faked. Similarly when a skeptic reacts to an incident by saying something like \this noise COULD have been made by a passing train\ or \we were unable to confirm where every crew member was when the stone got thrown\, they are just stating another POSSIBILITY – much the same as saying \it COULD have been the spirit of Abraham Lincoln that spoke and threw the stone\. Its a bit of a catch 22 – the believers cannot prove it, and the skeptics usually cannot disprove it. Mind you – I don’t know how David Blaine \levitates\ himself during his street magic, but I’d be willing to bet my mortgage that its an illusion and not real, despite the passers-by freaking out on camera to add to the effect !! But as a TV viewer, I can’t actually prove that he isn’t levitating !! So if TV companies can go to the expense and bother of creating an illusion that everyone knows is not possible, the precedent is set to make ghostie programs that go overboard on the screaming and tapping to help create the illusion. No wonder some of the investigators on this site reckon it gives them a bad name !!